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my "admirer" recently posted my PO Box number as her mood on myspace to show me she's obtained that info. Mature for a 38 yr old mother of 4.

My question is, are there postal workers slipping this info out the back door of the post office for a little bit of green? I stopped in and the girl at the front desk assured me that it's not public information anymore, that while businesses can get that info from a forwarding form (by writing "Forwarding Information Requested" under the return address"), regular citizens can't - something I found out first-hand when trying to get my ex-husband's new address last summer. The lady at the post office also said that for 18 months, the forward is in effect and when that time is up, they return items to the sender with a sticker containing the new address - but mine hasn't expired yet. I wouldn't have filled out the forward if I'd remembered the return-with-sticker practice. I don't think i'll ever be rid of the nut!

so, y'all know anything about black market po box dealers? lol

Oh, she's in a state bordering Canada, and I'm in West Texas, so she didn't just go down to blockbuster and ask a buddy to pull me up (like years back when she got my unlisted number).


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Re: She found my PO Box info

If it is written down somewhere, wether hard copy or on a computer database, it is accessable....just a matter of how much effort it takes to get it ("retired" hacker giving personal experience advice)

Nowadays there is that "find anyone" service where for a fee they will help you find "long lost relatives and friends" which can easily be abused by Stalkers as these companies are driven by money,not the person buying the informatikon from them's motive

If you have ever entered a contest with that Po box adress, bought something online,baught somethjing mail order, or entered a contest with that P.O Box those "gumshoe sites"  have your name and Address, and so now does she.

What you can do is try to find every "gunshoe service" she has used and let them know that you have a Stalker that  used their service to find you and you would prefer that your new information not be included in their database  when you change it

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Why is she so obsessed with you?

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i waived at her boyfriend in the mall when we were 18 (38 now)- i'd gone to school with him for about 6 years and hadn't seen him in a while. I didn't have a clue who she was but wasn't unfriendly to her. I was dating a guy that worked in the mall (ended up marrying him) and come to find out, she'd had a crush on him before i met him. She was rude, shoulder bumping in the arcade, etc and i made her feel stupid. we managed to work all that out a long time ago and became friends (amazingly she pulled very little psycho crap during that time), but she never really got over me making her feel stupid. When i refused to give her my personal info and the money to get a phone in my name for her use, she flipped out on me again and got me fired from my IT job of 8 years. She lied, told them she was dying of cancer and that i was harassing her via email at work. I was on a first level reminder for taking an extra day that labor day weekend when she pulled her cancer stunt and boom. fired. Lol, she even convinced me she had cancer (so i wouldn't prosecute her) and I was crocheting her a blanket to take to the hospital with her when I found out from her brother & mom that she was healthy as a horse! so, now i'm in school for a career change, and she just doesn't want me to ever succeed. It's mental games. All week she's been pretending to be in town to get me kicked out of school, to call cps to have me evaluated, etc. Funny her brother who lives here who she says gave her the "big welcome home" hasn't spoken to her in months and i've had hits from her town up north where i know nobody but her. My guess is she feels stupid pretty often all on her own. I screen shot her stuff when i go check it, one of these days she'll pull something serious and i'll have to have it some history to show.

Hope that made sense, tried to keep it short. ~ moral of the story is you can't ever turn a psycho into a friend to solve the situation. My profile song (private) is Walk by Pantera. I just haven't figured out how to get her to go away.

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What a psycho!!! Sorry you're going through that. I had a stalker for a while, my ex-boyfriend's ex, and it was a nightmare! I had 7 police reports on her. What happened was her and my ex-boyfriend broke-up and him and I got together and got pregnant. She threatened the life of my unborn baby and myself. The police wouldn't do anything but talk to her since she was a minor. After I had the baby we moved out of state and she found us!! She worked for a collection agency and ran my ex-boyfriend's name and bam she found us and started calling again. I called her job and got her fired. Our situation went on for about 3 years before she left us alone.

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Yep, it's that "woman scorned" type thing (not that y'all did anything to yours, just stating a reaction people have that's wrapped up in a known phrase) - only hers is really just imagined. it seriously doesn't take much to get her going that direction & then it's a matter of inertia. It seems like, for her, it's a matter of daily efforts NOT to get going in that direction. When we were friends I spent so much time and effort reassuring her about our friendship, her hair, her outfit, that her husband was nice looking that it was just exhausting. I think with people that she's not that personally close to, she puts on a good mask to hide her reactions - which gets you thinking that there really is a personality disorder at work - maybe even the big one - antisocial personality disorder. Being able to mimic the expected emotions of others on call in a convincing way - it's scary because you never really know who's under there.

I'm glad yours has gone away. I didn't know much about psychology when this all started 20 years ago (and i'm not claiming to be an expert now). I think now, though, that all the times i've made her feel stupid have gotten her attached to me in a way not unlike her childhood relationship to her mother/father. I think she grew up hearing those kinds of things and while they're not positive, they are known and familiar and allow her to act out in a known, familiar way. Known/familiar = comfort. So, when I say watch whose buttons you push in dealing with these psychos, I really mean that you have no idea what the outcome might be. Every time something doesn't go her way in life, she looks for her punching bag to feel "normal" and i'm the punching bag. It's really sad, but i've told her i can't worry more about her mental health than she does.

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I just read about antisocial personality disorder and I think you might be right. From the info you've shared it sure does sound like she's got it.

I don't know what I would do if my stalker was still around. You must be pretty strong to deal with that for so long.

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Thank you. I wish I could claim that, but my friends and family are great. When I have to, I let people know about her - like security and admin at school. If i'd done that at work in 2006...So, I still tend to "fret" over it when it gets ugly, but I distract myself with homework or research projects (or get on GuG and learn something or help someone), and of course there's family stuff and important things like American Idol and Bones!

One big change I made is that a few days ago i deleted my myspace. If she can't go there to verify my existence, maybe she'll find something else to do. If she manages to get in contact with me via email, phone, or snail mail, then there's more that I can do to legally stop all this. And I already made sure she knows Texas law if she had ideas about showing up at the house.

Speaking of homework!! I have 15 hours in need of some attention!

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Sad to say but I think deleting your myspace was a good idea.

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This is crazy!  I have never in my life thought I would hear someone with a story even remotely similar to ours!  I can't go into a lot of detail as the court case isn't completely over yet, but we had someone saying they had surgery, chemo was making them very ill, etc but they were at work or on myspace or somewhere other than the hospital during the supposed surgeries.  To make a long story short the person had no idea in our respective states it is legal and admissable in court to record phone calls w/out letting them know they're being recorded.  Our lawyer subpoenaed work records, MD bills and we compared all to the phone calls in front of the judge.  I would say it's the same person but 1) your person is older than our person and 2) our person isn't bordering Canada.  Our nutcase is *almost* gone (haven't heard from the person in almost a year) but we won't relax until court is completely finished.  I hope yours goes away soon but if it started @ 18 and 20yrs later it's still going on...well...it doesn't sound like it will.  Sad

 

 

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there are some really interesting folks out in this world, aren't there? I'm not used to being met with anything less than disbelief - i'm sure you understand that if you've discussed your situation much.

When she was really launching her campaign against me (sending out bulletins about how adding me would get them a virus - I guess just in case I threatened her "fan base", and posting blogs with my home address, name, telling people I was on the RSO list [??] and posting my myspace profile) I scanned a handful of her old letters and made screen shots of the emails from her about the cancer and from her mom about her being a nut and made my own blog with a slide show of the items and a recitation of the "Castle Laws" in texas. (I can defend my home with deadly force and have no legal duty to retreat). Don't mess with Texas.

Now, I didn't do this prior to trying a legal route. Since the most recent threat (early February) about getting me kicked out of school I've talked to more authorities of every local, state, and federal level that might have jurisdiction - and i'm a criminology major so i have some contacts and education in this regard. She doesn't threaten "bodily harm" but it's implied in myspace default pics of a chick with a machine gun and a mood that simply says, "poison," her saying she's in town and my 8 year old daughter playing outside all day. Since it crosses state lines, it falls into the FBI's jurisdiction but they're up to their ears in child porn - understandably that's a higher priority. I thought maybe they'd put me on a list, but it's like having a hang-nail in the ER - you're not getting in.

so, I suspect that the only remedy would be further hiding, which i've tried. One hobby I have is genealogy and she found me through that 6 months after I'd changed every account & user name I had. That was some process, too. I'd have to just stay off the 'net to get away from her and I'm not willing to let her change my life that way. Ticks me off having to run. So i've stuck to my guns and defended myself where necessary and I don't see an end in sight. She's smart enough not to "legally threaten me" although she thought I threatened her with the Castle laws - but nope.

so. here I am. working through the details and appreciating all the help I can get from the very fine GuG folks. I don't usually do the forum thing, but y'all rock. Thanks for that. And thanks for sharing what you could of your story. helps a lot to know i'm not the only one with a nut following her around. Hope yours works out. It's sure no fun.

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Don't mess with Texas...or Alabama!  We can defend what's ours too, and believe me...we will!  Don'cha love the South?  Smile

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p.o. boxes are not exempt from the type of information that is as close as your finger tips on a keyboard. don't be fooled by fine print.

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need to get an assumed identity. lol.

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Re: She found my PO Box info

odessa89 wrote:

that while businesses can get that info from a forwarding form (by writing "Forwarding Information Requested" under the return address"), regular citizens can't -

Perhaps she mailed it from her place of business (or any ficticious place of business, for that matter) and used them as her link in...the definition of business can be vague...

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I bet you're right. {yells BINGO!}

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Re: She found my PO Box info

I can't ever be 100% sure, but there are tons of ways that people can search for you on the internet and find your information, including phone numbers, physical address, and P.O. Box. So, while it could have been some one at the post office, odds are better that she either found a free source, or payed a few bucks to get your info online.

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Seriously,

Try Googling your full name

Try googling your Social security number

If nothing comes up then you are the few of the lucky ones

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maltego is pretty good, but I don't come up on any of it - in the free version anyway. After I sold the house, I didn't get anything put in my name anywhere. But i've used my info on sites like paypal or whatever - where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. giving it out is giving it out, though, i guess.

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odessa89 wrote:

maltego is pretty good, but I don't come up on any of it - in the free version anyway. After I sold the house, I didn't get anything put in my name anywhere. But i've used my info on sites like paypal or whatever - where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. giving it out is giving it out, though, i guess. I only use my powers for good - well, 95% of the time anyway

Well it also could be we are overthinking it.

Know anybody that she knows that might have seen you by your P.O. box that might have passed it on to her?

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She has been "up north" since 1999 or 2000 and there weren't any other friends she really had around here. Her brother still lives here but he does his absolute best to ignore her and doesn't even allow her to stay with him when she comes to town. On top of that, he doesn't have my "real" contact info, just an email address. If she'd gotten that, I'd know from whom she got it.

It IS possible that someone could have seen my mail sitting in my car, but I doubt she has anyone local that's interested in sneaking around to peak in my car for her.

I'm sure i'll never know how she got it but I'd bet she sent a business envelope saying "forwarding address requested" (wouldn't be hard to fake one by any means), real or fake. If it was a real one she'd have to have a buddy in that company that sees the mail to snag it for her. But that's entirely possible. She pulls others into her game with great stories about how she's been wronged. If you talked to her, i'd be the nut job stalker. that's the reason i document her stunts and frequently document my own online pages. I'm really sick of the entire thing.

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