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Let's Talk Trash!
Submitted by Hot2na on April 6, 2008 - 6:56pm.
Ha! Got your attention. Now, I am simply wondering.....how green are you? Recycling programs are everywhere: home, the office, schools, restaurants, office supply shops, basically everywhere. But are they really reinforced? How many of you have and use the 2 or 3 different recycle bins provided by your local city solid waste management department? We have 3. Black = everyday non recyclable waste. Blue = paper products, glass, aluminum, plastic jugs, bottles, etc. Green = lawn clippings, compost, tree limbs, etc. Do you separate your trash into organic, inorganic, paper, plastic, etc.? Do you turn the light and/or ceiling fan off when not in a room? Ride your bike to do a quick errand close by or maybe walk if it is a reasonable distance? Have your sprinkler system on an energy saving water reducing timer? Your thermostat programmed to the temps in your climate/area and set higher when you are not home or sleeping? What steps have you taken to "go green?"
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May 13, 2008 - 12:13pm
finally some solutions offered for recycling fluorescent light bulbs. it's a start! Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
May 1, 2008 - 1:31pm
I'm going to repost a blog of mine from MySpace from when this went around last year. Actually, it's dated a year ago tomorrow. Give it a read, and think it through.
We've all gotten them, the bulletins and emails pushing for a "no gas day". Some of them even claiming that the last time a "no gas day" was held, gas prices dropped 30 cents overnight. That NEVER happened. Ask a few questions, do a little research, inform yourself. If it sounds too good to be true, or in this case, to be effective, IT PROBABLY IS! Here's the bottom line...not buying gas nationwide for a single day does NOTHING to the big oil companies. Think about it, you're not NOT buying gas, you're just changing the day you purchase it. At the end of the week, American consumers will have purchased the same amount of gas they usually purchase, but instead of filling up on May 15th, some will have made the purchase on May 14th, and others on May 16th. The only people this has the potential to hurt financially is the local gas station owner, who has little, if any say over what he charges for gas, since he's locked into a contract with his supplier. I'm all for grass roots efforts by the general populace in attempts for social change. This plan, however, is useless. Tits on a bull kind of useless. The only way something like this, something done by the general population rather than the government, could work, is if we were to actually DECREASE our gasoline consumption, not just postpone the purchase. Something along the lines of everyone leaving their car home and taking public transportation for a week might have an impact. You're laughing, right? Yeah, didn't think most of you would be willing to give up your car for a week. I understand that a lot of people simply CAN'T, not if they want to keep their jobs. I know for a fact that there's no way my sister could take public transportation to work, it simply doesn't exist where she lives. Pretty sure both Kims are in the same boat, and I'm damned sure Chris is. There's the rub. We live in a society where we NEED to travel, therefore we NEED gasoline. Gas prices are obscene. We're nearly back up to the national record we set after Hurricane Catrina, and they're only going to get higher as the summer, with all of it's vacation travel, sets in. Sorry, it sucks, but it's a cold, hard fact. It's called "supply and demand", and it's the basis for our economy. The more we demand it, the more the suppliers can charge for it. If we want it to cost less, we have to use less of it, make it a less desirable product. Buying it on a different day will make no difference whatsoever in the long run. For more information on this, please check out Snopes.com, poorerthanyou.com,
"How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
May 1, 2008 - 2:30pm
thanks ladies. just thought i'd throw it out there. didn't know it would get such a rise. i myself ride a bike, and we have an excellent public transportation system near me house, so i never actually buy gas. just ran across this cruising the internet earlier, didn't look into it since it doesn't really effect me personally. although $70 mill sounded like a great loss, i'm sure not everyone is going to do this tomorrow. while i agree with the article above, you should cut down on gas consumption altogether, i am doing my part, and as long as you guys read it, thought about, researched it, made a post about it, i guess that's all i really wanted to get across anyways. wasn't expecting the GuGers picketing around the gas stations tomorrow am. thanks for the posts.
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May 1, 2008 - 9:15am
i recycle all cans and water bottles, and give them to the inlaws. they keep the $$$ they make to go to vegas, which i'm always proud to support and all newspapers, boxes, milk cartons, juice bottles, dry cleaning hangers/plastic, you name it...goes in our blue recycle bin, which is always fuller than the garbage can at the end of the week, i'm proud to report! i've got PLANET detergent that i use on all the stuff that doesn't require tide with bleach, and wash with cold water as often as i can...most of the energy used for washes is because of the hot water. low energy bulbs keeping all lights off that we're not using now, i do use disposable diapers...no cloth...i'm not green there! tried it for a month with the first one...and it was a NO GO! sorry mother earth, i couldn't handle it!
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April 29, 2008 - 9:00am
I'm all for common sense about the environment and I guess every bit helps especially if it makes people feel better. So if they want my paper, household glass and PET, I'll gladly sell it to them. I'll admit it - I'm not shy. I drive a vehicle that gets 21mpg. I also use chemicals on my yard once a year to keep weeds from growing. If I have insects, I will use insecticide on the f**kers. I use incandescent bulbs in my house because I like the way the light looks compared to the fluorescents. I use plastic grocery bags. So in the punchbowl of the green movement, I'm a turd. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 7:26am
Interesting facts wrt Turning on/off Fluoresant Lights: Should I Turn Off Fluorescent Lighting When Leaving A Room? Short Answer: Turn them off if you will be gone for more than about 15-20 minutes (for details keep reading). There are a few misconceptions about fluorescent lighting that keep too many people from turning lights off to save energy. The first misconception is that it takes more energy to start a fluorescent light than it takes to run it. The second misconception is that turning a fluorescent light off and on will wear it out right away. Like many of our myths about energy, there is a small amount of truth in the belief. (Special thanks to Steve Selkowitz of Lawrence Berkeley National Labs for doing the research that this article is based on.) Misconception #1: It takes more energy to start a fluorescent that it does to run it, so leave the lights on all the time to save money on your electric bill. Reality: When you turn on a fluorescent light bulb (correctly called a "lamp"), there is a very brief jump in current when the ballast charges the cathodes and causes the lamp to start. This inrush of current can be many times greater than the normal operating current of the lamp. However, the spike of current draw normally lasts no longer than 1/10th of a second, and draws the equivalent of about 5 seconds of normal operation. So, if you turn your fluorescent lamp off and on more frequently than every 5 seconds, you will use more power than normal. So, normal switching of fluorescent lamps has very, very, very little effect on a power bill. Misconception #2: Turning fluorescent lamps off and on wears them out right away. Reality: Electric lights have a published rating for expected life. This rating is in the hundreds of hours for many incandescent lights, and in the thousands of hours for most fluorescents. Fluorescent lights have a life rating based on how many hours they are left on every time they are turned on. This is usually referred to as "burn time", and for fluorescent lights the burn time is three hours. Every time a fluorescent light is turned on, a tiny amount of the coating on the electrodes is burned off. Eventually, enough coating is burned off, and the lamp fails to start. Most full-size fluorescent lamps are rated to last 20,000 hours when left on for 3 hours every time they are turned on. This means that the lamp has roughly 6,667 starts available to use up. (20,000/3 = 6,667) Longer burns extend lamp life. If you "burn" your fluorescent lamps shorter than 3 hours per start, you use up your potential starts faster. If you "burn" them longer than 3 hours per start, you use up your starts more slowly. However, you are paying energy costs for the operating time of the lamps, and the most efficient lamp is the one that is not on when it is not needed. See Table 2 for the effects of longer burn time on lamp life. But longer burns use more energy. Operating a light when it is not needed is simply spending money for no purpose. Today's rapidly rising electric rates mandate that every building becomes leaner with energy use to control costs. See Table 3 for a comparison of operating costs for a typical fixture. Find the trade off point. The kind of ballast you use may make a difference if you turn your fluorescent lights off frequently. There are three different kinds of electronic ballasts: instant start; rapid start; and programmed start. Which one you use can influence your choice of how frequently to switch off your fluorescent lights. Check with your ballast supplier, or contact a lighting specialist at the Lighting Design Lab for more information on different types of ballasts. In "Economics of Switching Fluorescent Lamps" IEEE Transactions on Industry Applications Vol 24, No 3, May/June 1988, Carriere & Rea provide a function f(u), that describes the lamp life in burning hours relative the rated lamp life under that standard burning cycle of 3 hours lamp operation per start. Actual Lamp Life = -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table 2: Burn hours and Fluorescent Lamp Life for a Typical 4-foot Rapid Start Lamp (32W) 3 hr 6 hr 12 hr 24 hr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table 3: Comparative annual operating costs for a 3-lamp T-8 fixture with electronic ballast (94W) (@$0.05/kWh) Burn Time Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 6:47am
HAHAHAA thats funny with the cow. I personally drive a 06 Honda Accord. And i love my car but i do wish i had gotten the smaller engine. I spend almost double compare to people with the same exact car but with a 4 cylinder. Im due to trade it in soon and i tell u i cant wait to downgrade and pay less for my gas. i AM pretty good with recycling at my home and office. However my town only collects the blue bins...i've never seen green. I can tell you it is not at all enforced unfortunatly. It seems as tho this system runs completly on the honor system. Half the people i know i don't even think recycle PERIOD. But i know for sure in my house we do. and at my office. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 7:02am
Well I would love to say I could down grade and save on the gas (I spend around $80. a week in gas). However as a family of five and having some large toys (boats, ATV's) I need a larger vehicle to tow with. Plus we travel alot to our house in NC (13 hour drive) and we need the room to stretch out and again hall the ATV's there. Yeah the cow was funny and by no means do I think we should take light our environment. It was slow on gug and I need a good laugh (so did others). I think as long was we all try and help out when we can and try to do our little part it helps. OK with that said I think I'm going to have a burger for lunch (again joking ppl).
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April 28, 2008 - 7:24pm
Question for all you tree huggin hippies (kidding!) But for those of you who support the whole green movement thing...i know a couple of you who are outspoken about how 'green' you are, drive gas guzzlin suburbans...how does that work? Shouldnt you be driving something a lil more earth friendly? What kinda cars does everyone drive- in relation to your attempts to keep earth green and such? Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 5:17am
Toyota 4Runner here. Bought it new and paid cash for it in 1997. It has been indispensable. I do feel the pain at the pump (gets 21mpg) but I'm the one that's buying it so that's MY business. To those that would criticize me for my choice.... up theirs! And emissions my a** - you can almost breathe my exhaust. haha! Really though, they can take a few less airline flights a year to make up for the extra fuel I'm taking off their planet. And unless they live in a box under a bridge, I could probably pick apart their life and show them they aren't as "environmentally pious" as they think they are. Ralph Nader excluded. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 7:18am
I have been thinking about getting something smaller. But wait. What do I use to pull a trailer when I have my mower serviced next month? After that I could sell it. Oh... but then I'll need to borrow my neighbor's trailer again for to pick up loads of pine mulch for my neighborhood's greenspaces. I donate several hundred packing boxes from my factory each week to the food pantry in my town.. what would I use to haul those? And how would I take those orphans to the YMCA every week? Hee. I'm lying about the orphans but not the boxes. Maybe what I need is a pickup truck. That will make everybody happy. Yeah. A pickup truck. Would need to be a 4-seater... I haul Dex's friends around and their parents wouldn't take kindly to them being bounced around in the back. The kids would like it, though. But wait again... don't a lot of pickups and SUV's share the same chassis and engine? Why do SUV's get the rap and not pickups? OK.. I'm still talking to myself here... decisions... decisions. My wife has a Saturn SL2 which gets 26 mpg but it's awfully small for my family. Her trunk will barely hold a dead body and a shovel. I could pay someone else to do my hauling. If I get something that makes the treehuggers happy, I would certainly need a sedan larger than my wife's Saturn. I don't buy vehicles unless I'm replacing one that can't be fixed but don't think I haven't looked. What exactly is the difference between my 4Runner and a 2007 Maxima? Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 29, 2008 - 5:01am
I drive the smallest car I can afford. Right now that's a Saturn SC2. I put about $15 to $20 gallons of gas in it per week or so. It takes me about 8 minutes to drive to work. My daughter's school is bout 5 minutes from my house. I wouldn't own an SUV if it was given to me. "I'm just like you only shorter."
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April 28, 2008 - 7:50pm
OK see I really do try and help keep the environment better. I do recycle and I don't litter but yikes I do drive a Suburban SUV (see I really do): ![]()
But see here is how I try and help counter act the emissions from my gas guzzlin subanban - I drive by McDonalds and I order a burger. See its been proven that Cows Flatulance does more damage to the earth's atmospher. So I say my fellow GUGies - raise your burgers in the air and help eat those farting cows & save the earth....how rude! Cow Farts: Global Warmers
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ok admit it you were laughing - but it is true!
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April 28, 2008 - 8:01pm
OK see I really do try and help keep the environment better. See its been proven that Cows Flatulance does more damage to the earth's atmosphere.
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 28, 2008 - 7:36pm
Question for all you tree huggin hippies (kidding!) Shouldnt you be driving something a lil more earth friendly? What kinda cars does everyone drive- in relation to your attempts to keep earth green and such? so i am totally guilty here. out of the 6 vehicles husband and i have, the biggest (suburban) and the smallest (porsche) are the worst. h-o-w-e-v-e-r.....i am looking to pick up a trendy #7 in the shape of a prius probably.
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 28, 2008 - 7:36pm
Actually, I don't drive, and neither does my boyfriend. He lives close enough to work to be able to take a bus, and I either walk, take buses, or cabs wherever i need to go. I'm rather proud of the reduction it's surely made in our collective carbon footprint.
"How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 21, 2008 - 1:37pm
ok, so i am researching hybrid's for husband, and came across this article on msn and thought.....hey..i would totally do this. bike sharing. what a concept, and it is finally coming to the US. how many of you would take advantage of this type of program?
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 21, 2008 - 1:31pm
does anyone here on gug own a hybrid vehicle? just curious on the upkeep and maintenance, if any. mileage. cost to insure as compared to other vehicles, etc.
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 19, 2008 - 7:54am
hey guys, i'm reasonably sure we will be losing the battle to save the earth. like isaac said earlier, there are just too many of us on this planet. with that being said, i don't carry a green pixel in my picture! and like someone else said,izzle, i think, people, especially americans, are lazy, and will do whatever is easier. but i do salute all of you who take the time and effort to teach your children to take care of things that matter. if u have no children, but still practice green, more power 2 u!..jk Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 19, 2008 - 6:37am
found these little gems. i'm going to stock our neighborhood dog bag stands with these:
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 19, 2008 - 7:07am
Well I guess I need to check these out now. I forgot to include in my green portfolio that I own a reel mower. No gas, no oil, no noise, no smells. Just me and the imminent demise of the top portion of each blade of grass. Take that terrorists. I don't need your oil. (except in my car) "I'm just like you only shorter."
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April 19, 2008 - 7:10am
right on! i picked up an oldie but very goodie at a yard sale a few years ago. i just happen to drop my daughter off at a friends house and there it was next door in all its vintage glory. i love it. great work out for the abs! *feel the burn baby*
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 7, 2008 - 7:17am
should have included in my initial thread that part of recycling and going green includes purchasing recycled products, of which we do. no paper, no plastic at check out. i'm one of those granola moms you see carting in my own grocery totes! throw them in the washer when needed, line dry. and toys....found these interesting & creative (computer mouse & keyboard):
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 7, 2008 - 12:21am
when I lived in Ann Arbor, I walked everywhere.... except work, because it was 15 miles away. currently, my work is within walking distance. But my work is delivering pizza's. So, uhm..... yea. And there really isn't much else in a walking distances from my house. Or a biking distance. But I tell my friends to throw there trash on the floor boards rather then out the windows when they ride with me. unless it's banana peels or something..... then I tell them to throw it out..... I'm trying to get my car running better. cleaning fuel lines, air intake, full synth oil, checking tire pressure. Though that's because it saves me money more then anything otherwise, I don't believe that the planet earth can support how ever many billion people it has on it now. So I plan to only have one child. Maybe (probably) adopt more, but only one of my "seed"...... Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 6, 2008 - 7:40pm
We just have one recycle bin here. I recycle everything that can be recycled. I wouldn't own an SUV if you gave me one. I'm Vegan so that in itself has green consequences. I'm currently switching over to florescent bulbs. I am a light nazi. I turn them off always, at home or at work. I use a Pur water filter instead of buying bottled water. I'm all about wind energy. We need some of that!! "I'm just like you only shorter."
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April 6, 2008 - 8:38pm
Yuck. Fluorescent light bulbs are serious health hazards. You're just trading one negative for another. Just google "dangers of fluorescent light bulbs" and you'll find hundreds of reasons NOT to use them. Then again, i dont really care- if you get huge rebates for changing to mercury laden carbon bulbs, have at it. Saving money is saving money after all. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 6, 2008 - 8:55pm
Then again, i dont really care- if you get huge rebates for changing to mercury laden carbon bulbs, have at it.
where do you think mercury comes from? mother earth. it is a natural element and when properly disposed of, it's not an issue.
Tuna ><((((*> the other white meat! Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 6, 2008 - 8:57pm
Lots of things are "natural" but it doesnt mean they are used, or disposed of, properly. If you think you're never going to break a light bulb, and therefore never be exposed to the mercury within, great. Im just saying before jumping on the bandwagon, everyone should be aware of both sides. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 8, 2008 - 5:01am
I am aware of the toxins and do intend to dispose of them properly but then again I also recycle batteries and I'd say most people don't. I understand your point though because most people won't dispose of these properly. People are lazy and it's whatever is easier. "I'm just like you only shorter."
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April 6, 2008 - 7:39pm
we only have one recycling bin where i live. i do recycle everything that they accept here and every time i take out the garbage i have at least 6 times more recycled that non-recycled garbage. i also walk everywhere i can and use public transit. i went from driving 10,000 miles a year to just 200 miles a year. i'm not obsessive about turning off lights though if i'm going to go back in the room shortly. and i don't unplug all my appliances everytime i leave my house like some people do. also, if i'm not home and can't find a recycling bin nearby i don't save up all my trash for the day and take it home with me to recycle it. i've done a couple different online carbon footprint calculators and came up with numbers between. 0.15 and 0.35, which is very very low compared to the average, so i feel like i'm doing my part and don't need to go overboard. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 6, 2008 - 7:16pm
The only 'Green' anything that I concern myself with is when it has to do with chemicals I'll be using... only because that affects me more directly... I don't recycle... until I find a car that I like, I'm sticking with my fossil fuel consuming one... as for solar power? I think I'll wait until the price comes down... I'm not overly concerned about the Earth for my lifetime, or my children's... so meh... I know it sounds selfish, but like AE, I don't abuse the Earth, I'm just not gonna drastically try to compensate for everyone's destruction.... I'll plant a tree... that's it. Besides, referring to the 2012 thread... what if the apocalypse comes? lol .·:·.·:·.·:·.· Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
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April 6, 2008 - 7:10pm
I recycle but other than that...i dont care much. Im not a fan of electric or solar powered cars, though most of them are being tested here in california. Even our carpool lanes give free passes to hybrid/alternative energy cars, but i figure id rather not deal with it. I dont abuse the earth, but i dont feel the dire need others do to "go green" I think its all hype. Re: Let's Talk Trash!
April 6, 2008 - 7:07pm
And here I thought ohhhhh some good stuff........Tuna ya got me. OK were a house that recycles - yep same bins (but instead of black we have yellow). As I see it we have one earth so we need to take care of it - for our future generations. Plus once you get in the habit of it then it's second nature. It really doesn't take much effort but in the end our children (and children's children) will be so much better off. I'll even go so far as to say one day when I bid farwell to this earth (hopefully long way a way) you can recycle me - yep toast me up and sprinkle my ashes
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